Recording in the public domain.
Transcript adapted from “Lyndon Johnson and John McClellan on 16 January 1964,” Tape WH6401.15, Citation #1386, Presidential Recordings Digital Edition [The Kennedy Assassination and the Transfer of Power, vol. 3, ed. Kent B. Germany and Robert David Johnson] (Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, 2014–). URL: http://prde.upress.virginia.edu/conversations/9030158. Reproduced with permission.